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Beam Production (v4)

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Beam Production (v4)

29/01/2019 at 13:41

Hello!
We’ve been cranking hard at the Precious Plastic HQ with the development of v4..
The focus for the beginning of the year is on exploring and developing techniques for the Extrusion machine. This topic will be focused on Beam Production, with all the successes, failures and set backs along the way.

Stay tuned for further topics as the development continues..

-Machine Development 
-Beam Production (You are here)
-Extrusion Moulds
-Tubes and Profiles

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dedicated
29/01/2019 at 13:47
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Test: Polystyrene Beams

Objective: Create transparent beams and explore the control of colour with PS.

Process:
@tafnstuff and I tried various beam moulds attached to the extrusion machine. The machine is in good state and using it is very friendly. We screw on each mould, fill the hopper and turn the motor on. The machine was set to 240 C and motor speed varied between 210~250 rpm. Demoulding the beams can sometimes be very hard with PS as it doesn’t shrink as much as PP or PE.

Conclusions:
-PS can remain transparent with the extrusion process.
-Quality of finish is high.
-Beams are very hard. (Sound like a peice of rock and take long to cut through)
-One beam developed a large cavity and was completely hollow. We think this could be from the thin gold flakes (coffee cup lids) shrinking rapidly and drawing to the outer layer of black.

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helper
29/01/2019 at 17:28
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nice info ! thanks for sharing. melting these sliced beam tiles down to a plate looks really promising! if you can maintain transparency enough, it’s very likely that you could do really nice lamps with it.

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dedicated
30/01/2019 at 13:11
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Test: Polypropylene Beams

Objective: Create large, strong beams

Process:
Shred large flakes into smaller bits. The machine was set to 200 C and the motor speed was varied. For most tests, I used a wooden block attached to a longer piece of wood (plunger). I hung a 1kg bucket onto the end of this plunger to create some relatively consistent pressure to the extruding beam.

Conclusions:
-Smoother surfaces can be obtained by using a weighted plunger.
-Smoother surfaces can also be obtained with a warm mould.
-Smaller granules work better than large.
-The end of a beam seems to have better consistency and surface. Possibly due to the heat of mould and surrounding plastic.

 

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dedicated
30/01/2019 at 13:54
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Test: PP Beam consistency and speed

Objective: Discover the optimal machine settings

Process:
There is an image of this beam above, and I went through the same process however did not use any plunger/resistance and the mould was cold (4 C). I set the machine to a constant temperature of 200 C and ramped up the rpm and changed colour every 10 minutes. Starting with [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected]

Conclusions:
-Initial section of beam was very rough, did not fill mould cavity or fully melt.
-Consistency improved with length. Plastic has more time to melt inside the beam core.
-There was a hollow channel at the end of the beam. Possibly from letting machine run with no plastic.
-With a cold mould, it may be better to start off  even slower and ramp up the speeds thereafter.

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dedicated
30/01/2019 at 16:56
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Test: Polyethylene Beams

Objective: Create stronger beams. I’ve found PE to be an elusive material for the hand powered machines due to it’s viscosity even in molten state. These experiments were to learn about ease of production and the differences between PP and PE beams.

Process:
Shred larger flakes into smaller bits. The machine was set to 220 C and speeds were adjusted according to the rising and falling barrel temperatures. The plunger was weighted with 1kg.

Conclusions:
-PE can be used to make strong beam.
-After enough time, demoulding is easy.
-Surfaces feel more slippery/waxy than PP or PS.

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dedicated
30/01/2019 at 18:46
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Test: Large PE Beams

Objective: Make the biggest PE beam possible.

Process:
We had some large rectangle and square tubes in the workshop onto which we welded angle iron brackets for connecting to the extruder. It is helpful to clean the inside of the tube before use (image 3). The process of extrusion follows the same steps as before. Machine set to 220 C and speed varied according to the temperature of the barrel. A 1kg bucket was used for resistance on the plunger.

Findings:
-The rectangular tube mould broke while extruding. This happened when the resistance of the plunger rose as the weight moved further away from the mould. The temperatures spiked to 270 C and the mould bulged (image 2). Closeup of the swollen area of beam also pictured in image 2.
-The square shape worked well too. You can see the shape of the nozzle and initial plastic section in image 3.
-Cooling takes far longer with such large shapes.
-There is a fine line between too much pressure and too little. Only some sections took the shape of the mould, others remained round/organic.
-Temperature on average was 30~40 C hotter than the machine was set.

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helper
05/02/2019 at 15:49
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I’ve had too many bad experiences with extruding pe and ps … that’s why I am trying to develop simple ways of making beams. .. but always looking for getting more information and ideas from other colleagues. What do you think ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsnsitKldyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhl5xJYnlps

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dedicated
05/02/2019 at 18:10
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Yo @wolfgang, nice videos! Thanks for sharing your process. Great to see the creative use of “low tech” tools. Quite a lot of hands on work but the results are very surprising, at first I didn’t think they would be strong. A whole new take on making beams.. really interesting!

Looking forward to seeing how your tests go with the hot sand and use of solar power

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warrior
05/02/2019 at 19:27
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@wolfgang haha very nice video, VERY inspiring for low-tech solution !
i’ll scare you with the one i’ll post tomorrow hahaha (i can’t do as long beams atm though :p)

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warrior
12/02/2019 at 19:22
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https://youtu.be/WwBgRuCpYNc

https://youtu.be/JP2Mmf7etGU

Sorry tried to emb it to the forum but didn’t manage to :((

 

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dedicated
14/02/2019 at 12:45
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Oh man.. thanks for sharing @imuh.. I love seeing all these techniques emerging. That lump of plastic dough looks really nice to work with. I’ve been talking with Johe and he explained you used a lot of cellophane and a bit of bottle caps? Nice surface finish too

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