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Stijn stijnid

Marking new products

08/04/2017 at 18:37

Just a couple pictures of my first try on (re-) marking the new plastic products.

Very useful if you want to recycle them again.

Let me know what you think.

Stijn

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warrior
08/04/2017 at 21:17
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Great! looks awesome, dont forget to mirror the stamp 😉

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warrior
08/04/2017 at 21:32
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Awesome that you can do it post-production! Would you sell those little stamps? Seems like something everyone producing plastic products (recycled or not) should use :p

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helper
09/04/2017 at 07:12
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Nice, great idea!

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dedicated
09/04/2017 at 09:46
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Very good idea!

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warrior
09/04/2017 at 11:54
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Today i got some stamps from an old typewriter, I will also test these to see if it´s any good

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starter
10/04/2017 at 09:39
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It’s mirrored, just looks a bit funny because I am limited by the cutter bit diameter.

Selling them might be a good idea.
I’m working on the next version now together with Dave.

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helper
10/04/2017 at 18:54
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Very nice indeed!

This can save a lot of molds – i.e. when you don’t need to have a mold for each type of plastic to mark it right.

I would love to buy some of these for PP and PE.

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warrior
11/04/2017 at 19:43
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This idea appeals to me so I tried it myself. If you have a CNC machine the code I wrote for this is below. The triangle part of the logo is 7mm tall and the text below it is 2mm tall. It takes a bit of practice to apply the right pressure and temperature to leave a good impression on the plastic, it might help if the stamp was a little bigger and engraved a bit deeper, @stijnid what size did you make yours? Needs more experimentation I think, but I might be able to make a quantity of these and sell them for only a few euros each. What happened to the Precious Plastics marketplace idea?

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warrior
11/04/2017 at 19:46
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Can’t seem to attach a .txt file

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starter
11/04/2017 at 20:26
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@andyn
Nice work Andy!
I made the logo 11 mm tall.
What cutter bit are you using? The sharp letters look great.

Did you use a torch to heat it?
I guess electric heating (like the soldering iron) makes it easier to get the temperature right.

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warrior
12/04/2017 at 12:35
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I used a propane torch to heat it, not very accurate, the soldering iron idea is much better and also provides a convenient handle to hold it by.

The cutter I used was just the broken shank of a carbide end mill that I sharpened into an engraving cutter, you can buy similar cutters for milling tracks on PCBs. I took 0.25mm deep passes 0.1mm apart (raster style), 0.5mm total depth. I think it needs to be deeper for more relief and I could also optimise the toolpath.

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helper
18/04/2017 at 10:13
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Good stuff guys. Let me know when it’s for sale 😉

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warrior
20/06/2017 at 20:25
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@andyn, @stijnid, @jerzeek, @davidpaag

Guys, may I propose a cheap and accessible version of the marking tools. As you can clearly see below, all you need for this option is a couple of paperclips and needle nose pliers.

I tested it on the hot glue while it was hot and highlighted it with a marker. The handles for these mini-stamps can be made later using plastic, wood, resin or something else.

Will test it on a piece of plastic later.

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helper
21/06/2017 at 07:56
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HM! great work and cheep.
I think we could upgrade this marking system.

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warrior
21/06/2017 at 09:50
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Super!

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warrior
21/06/2017 at 12:23
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cool/clever solution @jegor-m! gonna try it out here 😀

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helper
21/06/2017 at 22:13
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Maybe you could make the patterns linear so that one could add positive and negative wires on them, turning it into a kind of soldering iron. You could be free of the lighter and the sod.

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starter
23/06/2017 at 02:52
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Excellent work @stijnid and @andyn. If either of you do a production run, I’d be interested in getting a set.

I have been thinking of marking the plastic too, and it would be good if we could add it into the forming step instead of a post-process.

Taking Dave’s welded trash can mold as an example, I’m imagining a hole drilled in the bottom with a slight recess milled in (either hex or circle shaped, respectively). By having the stamp on a threaded rod, it could be inserted into the mold and tightened on the outside — thus allowing the stamp to be swapped if you use a different plastic with the same mold.

I might not be explaining it fully and it might be a dumb idea too.

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warrior
28/06/2017 at 12:45
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I’ve been putting some more time into this, here is the V2, slightly bigger and engraved more deeply to leave a better impression on the plastic. The problem is these take a lot longer to make and I won’t be able to make them as cheaply as I want in order to make them accessible to all. I also tried engraving the symbols into the stamp, rather than standing out from it, but this did not work as well on the plastic.

I’m now working on V3 which will be slightly smaller and I’ve decided to drop the letters underneath, as these aren’t really necessary. I hope to be able to produce a batch of these soon.

(below some of my other attempts)

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warrior
28/06/2017 at 12:50
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@trent-robertson

Good idea, You’ve probably seen circular date stamps on moulded plastic. These are a similar thing, usually a series of wheels as part of the mould that you can turn to point to the correct date or other information. Sometimes there are boxes and marks can be made in them with a centre punch.

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dedicated
19/07/2017 at 12:37
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Hi @andyn,
Have you been working more on this? I’ve tried it out myself but didn’t get too great results because of too aggressive speeds I used (I think). Which of those designs in the picture works best so far? I’m gonna get a better milling bit for doing this and get another go on it soon or later.

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warrior
19/07/2017 at 12:50
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I decided milling each one individually takes too long, so I made a negative from steel, hardened it, built a 10t hydraulic press and attempted to press out the stamps from aluminium. The results weren’t great.

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dedicated
25/07/2017 at 00:18
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@andyn,
Cool. Too bad it didn’t work out though. What went wrong?
Did you mill the steel first?

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warrior
25/07/2017 at 13:06
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@siemenc

Yes, the steel stamp was actually the 3rd one in the photo above (‘right way’ round). The problem is that the background is raised and needs to be pressed all the way into the aluminium, which takes a lot of force (more than 10 tonnes it seems) to leave a good impression with the details raised.

The 4th stamp (steel, background milled away) worked much better on aluminium, but this creates an aluminium stamp with the detail recessed, which does not leave a clean mark on the plastic.

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helper
13/05/2018 at 21:40
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Would it be possible to create a 3d printed stamp, and then make a mould using the aluminium cast method? Would the aluminium be durable and detailed enough?

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starter
02/10/2018 at 16:35
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I’ve been working with a University and our project’s kicking into high gear. I figured we’d need to stamp plastic. In Australia, shipping and currency means the stamps from Hakkens would cost $32AUS.

The material I’ve gathered from school is PET, we’d still need to make a stamp none the less. (side note: sports carnivals are brilliant places to get a lot of bottles.) I figured I’d build a stamp. The uni has a CNC mill, so that’s no problems.

The only thing is, in the video about stamp, Hakkens says that this one is hammered, and I’m just wondering how that works without heat. Could I have a pic of the whole thing Stijn?

Sorry if this was a stupid question, this is my first real engineering thingo so I don’t really know what I’m doing.

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