Step #2 – Finding a piece of land
This topic is to discuss options to find a piece of land, i’m sure there are many places available but hard to find them all from a laptop in the Netherlands. This this topic is to share ideas, sites, listings, pictures of land that is available. You might even have a friend that has a piece available.
Specially in early stage we are quite easy, never bought a piece of land so would like to explore options. A few (flexible) guidelines though.
– Netherlands would be cool, otherwise or Europe.
– Close to an airport or train station (max 1,5 hour)
– Enough surrounding green land around it.
– River in it would be sick! Otherwise we will digg a lake 😀
– Possible to live there with multiple people
– Max €80K, i guess…
Hopefully you guys are able to help out! The person that finds the land gets its own statue with name on the land. Eternal Project Kamp fame ✌️
Hi!! You should contact Earthship Biotecture. They build almost entirely with recycled materials and they do wonderful off grid buildings. They have similar projects and some offgrid communities thriving already! Actually, there’s one starting right now in Peru, in the Sacred Valley. If you want more information ask me. 🙂
My mail: [email protected]
Loved your video, really in line with what I’m in the process of creating with a group of likeminded people, and I love how you bring it. It inspires me to do something similar.
Second, if you’d like to talk about who you want to do this, and to see if perhaps we can find each other in a collaboration, let me know. You’ve got my email.
Third, I’m curious about the online sharing you wish to undertake, as it is something I’m keen on doing as well. So, see ‘Second’ :-).
All the best!
I’m Iggy (from London) and I run The Wildwork, a network of over 4,500 wildlife conservation professionals. I’ve been collaborating with a network of divers, business owners, conservationists, waste management activists, and NGOs in Eastern Indonesia. We’re planning to set up a collaborative workspace using your techniques on Flores island next to Komodo National Park.
We have big ideas for how we can use your technology and others to revolutionise the massive waste problem in Eastern Indonesia, which mostly doesn’t have good waste management infrastructure. In the long run, we’d love to use the waste to replace other materials like wood and cement, to tackle deforestation, pollution and climate change too… See the PowerPoint presentation of my plans so far, (also livestreamed on our FB page). We’ve got over 15 different businesses, NGOs, and environmental groups on board so far (see last few slides of the ppt). We’ve since also had Indonesian Waste Platform and DesignCrop add their hands in support of our ideas.
But I’ll cut to the chase about land – one of my supporters, Mikel (from Spain) is the owner of a dive/ecotourism island resort, and has bought some land he was planning to use for an eco growing and/or construction project. But he is very busy, and because of limited time and manpower, he can’t use the land for a project himself. I just got off the phone with him and after seeing your video for Project Kamp, and he would be interested in proposing this land to you guys to set up your community.
For a little more information on it:
1000m2 flat land, easily accessible by road. This is ex-farmers’ land, vegetables will grow here. There’s a village of farmers 5min away who could help/be employees.
20min North of Labuan Bajo town, Flores Island. This means around 20min from LBJ airport which is soon to be international.
Not sure how viable wind energy is here, but already 6 solar panels installed with batteries – 1000watt/hour, power running, can easily be supplemented with a generator if need be.
200-300m away there is a river, water can be rerouted and filtered to be drinkable relatively easily and cheaply. Construction of an artificial lake or water reservoir is possible. There is also a waterfall a 2min bike ride away.
You would need papers for the people who stay there – perhaps to be registered as a mini-company or NGO, and probably to hire local people (we know many locals who would be very keen!). Paperwork could be complicated as Indonesia is quite bureacratic, but rules and regulations can be worked around relatively easily.
– Other information:
Mikel would love it if you were planning to create eco-products, recycle, bring local people or tourists in every week to visit or learn, etc.
In Labuan Bajo, there is a very strong collaborative network of expats and businesses who are keen to protect the natural beauty of the National Park and surrounding areas, as the town develops rapidly with income from ecotourism. A lady called Pam who runs an eco-design company (DesignCrop) also owns some land and islands North of Bajo too, and I’m sure she would be very interested, so I have contacted her too and will let you know what she says.
I don’t doubt that we in Bajo have a lot to learn from you and your team. I myself have also dreamed of setting up alternative communities in the long run as part of the Wildwork’s aims, with a focus on creating a way of life from scratch that safeguards nature rather than exploits it. If we could work together with your project and our supporters in Indonesia, we could create something awesome together.
If you’re interested and you’d like to chat more, don’t hesitate to contact me via email – we can arrange a video call and talk about how to save the world.
Best of luck with your awesome projects and hoping to hear from you soon,
And we can tokenize it! Develop a Project Kamp Token for the community, incentivize human behavior. We can already start with a token without the land:)
More then one year ago we wrote a similar plan for a government-initiated contest. We became 2nd. The one who got the 1st place, was a large company (with a boring, corporate plan). It’s in The Hague, close to the station and 15.000m2. Every time I pass, still nothing is done with the land. We could try to get this working again. Let’s go to the government and see what happens. I’m in!
More then one ago we wrote a similar plan for a government-initiated contest. We became 2nd. The one who got the 1st place, was a large company (with a boring, corporate plan). It’s in The Hague, close to the station and 15.000m2. Every time I pass, still nothing is done with the land. We could try to get this working again. Let’s go to the government and see what happens. I’m in!
I would suggest land in proximity to the ocean because of the amount of plastic floating around in all the our seas. As we solve the ocean plastic collection systems then having the plastic material could be delivered right to the doorstep instead of or in addition to local collection. As they say a bigger net catches more “fish”
while you’re all waiting for the elusive piece of prime real estate to appear….i can highly recommend y’all getting to know the work of this old professor hero of mine – https://desertification.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/bottle-towers-eng-tours-de-bouteilles-fr-willem-van-cotthem/
-seeds,sun and some good ole fun lovin trash 😉
its never too late to start (…or early for that matter)
I don’t know if someone has said something about Spain, but there is a huge area that has almost no population. It’s called “la estepa iberica” if I remember well. In Spain, there are TONS of places that you can buy. They are mainly abandoned villages.
@davehakkens I would like to suggest Austria as headquarter for your Kamp, but I guess land here is maybe too expensive for your project. For 80K you just may get around 5000sqm in an area which is far away from an airport or train station. Governmental restrictions and laws are as well a problem, because if you buy land (a forest for example) you are not automatically allowed to build a house. I guess there are lots of countries with laws which are easier to handle… 🙁
@rayvenseyer I would like to set up an workspace at the Philippines as well. But my idea was a land on the island Cebu (maybe not too far away from Cebu City), because there are very big waste deposal sites with lots of unused plastic trash.
What is your plan? Do you want to set up a project on your own?
@javierrivera I also had the idea to create a new land in the ocean from recycling plastic trash, but it isn´t as easy as it seems. Every centimeter of ocean (near coasts) is part of a country and it means that you always have to ask the government/authorities for allowance. Especially in Europe it is a problem, because they (their laws) can´t handle a project that might grow with time…
Hi, Just been looking around @ finn.no for properties in Norway. There are a lot of big and cheap properties in Norway. Found a lot of different ones.
1 073 000 m² for 30 000 EUR:
We are Gigi and Coco, 2 frenchies with a project that looks kind a like yours, but we included kitesurfing with it.
We already have a land in Colombia, in the Carribbean coast, in Santa Veronica, between Cartagena and Barranquilla, 2 cities with an airport in each one.
We’d love to help you find a land in Colombia, where you can buy it easily just with your passport, we could speak about it to our agent who is a really trusty person. Also, we definitly plan to built your machines as soon as we can, time flies as we need it for our plan too 🙂
Tell us if you are interested!
I have been thinking about this all day long it’s just how my mind works, and is just a suggestion to the entire pp community.
Dave is an inspirational leader, and I believe in my heart that project kamp is the most important thing for him to concentrate on. You just suffered through record breaking heat wave, and down under we are getting record breaking summer’s year after year. So I think (personal opinion ) that instead of bringing everyone to you and the expense of that whole process. We the precious plastics community get together and build V4. Agree on what we want as a collective, have different people working on the process in a given time limit then bring every version together. Take the best from everyone and then the design should suit everyone, everywhere.
And by that time Dave may have jumped over the major hurdles that confront him to get Base kamp setup. I know he’s excited about v4 and I want him to be apart of it. But the sense of urgency to live sustainably has to take priority. As we need to save ourselves and the planets fragile balance of life. Please don’t get me wrong, once we’re all on that right path we the precious plastics community will still be cleaning up and restoring balance that way for generations to come.
Maybe you already know about this, but I thought to share it anyway:
A project in wales , you can have the land if you follow certain rules, and for what I understood your idea would be great!
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