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saving this topic for later, love it! 😀
I’d go for @sonik on the github approach. Nice sheet you have there! However material/scrapyard prices are different in Europe/Asia/Africa etc. . I’d say try to make a template/survey which others can fill in their amounts and crowdsource the information to get a true global perspective on realistic prices. Would love to have those numbers
Yo Guenter. It’s not that i don’t agree with your points, but your are throwing it in here very unconstructive. Just hating. Obviously we haven’t got all our shit together and there are many things to improve. Hence the Version 4 topic. We listen to feedback and try to implement as much as we can each version. You don’t need to keep repeating yourself.
If you really cant hold yourself and create new accounts to spam the forums, man up and hop on a (friendly) face to face skype call with me to clear things up. We are just trying to make plastic recycling easier for everyone and still learning every day..
* we have an automatic spam filter(akismet) , to be honest not sure what the triggers are for hiding posts
Stripped the inside of the truck and removed unwanted stuff. Most of things came of easy and well sometimes..not. Hammer time. Not a big fan of glassfibre insulation. Dont really trust it, it says don’t touch with your hands but here you are sleeping right next to it. You guys have any thoughts? Anyway I also don’t want to waste it since its already there. So decided to keep it for now..
Not stripping the dashboard though. That is already quite..minimalistic
The plan for the Van: Strip out the unnecessary parts from the inside, remove the wall in the middle for that spacious villa feeling. And fix up all the rusty holes. Turns out there are a bit more of those than expected 😀
Living in a Van seems to be quite sustainable, you only use a tiny space to live and you can drive it close to work so you commute less everyday. But before buying a Van I was wondering what makes more sense:
1: Buy a newer Van which is more comfortable has stuff like airconditioning higher top speed, less noise but most importantly is more efficient (less gasoline)
2: Get an old abandon Van which is less efficient but already exists and doesn’t need to be produced saving on materials and energy to produce it. (the newer the model the sooner you replace the old materials)
Its hard to find proper research on this topic and the infrastructure of manufacturing cars is very complex, watch video “fuel of electric cars” to get an idea. But it basically boils down to this. >How much are you going to drive. < If you are going to drive a lot it makes more sense to get an efficient one, reducing fuel. If you park it somewhere and leave it there for a long time it makes sense to save materials and energy to produce it. But there should actually be a third option.
3: Convert an old Van to electric. This is just an most awesome option that should be done more. In this way you save all the resources from the old Van (tires, glass, metalwork, chairs etc) but get the efficiency of our latest technologies.
However even the last option requires new resources/materials/lithium and only makes sense if you are going to drive it a lot. I’m going to do one tour around Europe and then park it at Project Kamp, not driving that much so an old Van seems to make more sense. However if i end up driving more often i’ll convert it to electric (challenging but fun 🙂
This was my thinking. Hope it makes sense, lets see. For now the green beauty below is what we are dealing with 💥
* @xxxolivierxxx, me and Lieke are not together anymore. good friends though. So plenty of space for one tall Dutch guy doing a farth challenge on his own.
@davehakkens, ok, no problem but a link and promoting and developing an alternative entry point are 2 complete different worlds, isn’t ? i mean, this project is obviously bigger than doing some fancy lamps no body actually wants or needs for high prices and at huge costs, insane footprints with a very limited technology, it screams for improvements and changes at a fast rate. an actively developed plastic CNC (DESIGNED FOR CUTTING PLASTIC, from the PP network) could change quite something in this directions, more people being able to help… i know at least a couple dozen of products which could leave the PP network next week! Geez, to some degree, i’m getting more and more disappointed but i hope i’m wrong, it seems i waste my time for some ego driven fancy fake project which doesn’t want more than it is now 🙂 sorry for being a dick but yeah i’m tired of projects which don’t get over this irresponsible ‘fanciness’. I think expressed myself clear enough in other topics: the machines are a fail, warnings/limitations of the machines are suppressed/hidden (please be at least honest!), i see quite some good people leaving the community, no legal backups or intentions at least to provide the needed facilities to get founding/sponsorships, c’mon, this sucks just! this project really needs fresh ideas, better products, more people able to join,…I’m speechless, and then you fly around the world and speak about ‘footprint’, trying to setup a eco village with obviously ZERO experience, here in Catalonia we would give you a nice slap on the blackhead for even remotely acting like this, at least me and my fellows would 🙂 that being said, please take step back and enable us to design PP together 🙂
Huh you deleted your original reply @mc007? 🖕
Anyway those where some direct words.. I’d say Precious Plastic is very much open to your own interpretation. We dont ask or need anything from our members. We just provide some basics knowledge and you can do with it whatever you like. So if you feel like your wasting your time you might focus on the wrong things? Its up to you to make a plan and execute it. Run it as a hobby. NGO or business. We see our community growing, not declining. To be fair I do see people come and go on this online community platform because its not super well made (limited resources available to make it proper)
Overall we are a small but very focussed team, we pick our directions carefully and don’t do a 1000 small things at once. Personally for me open-source projects are often to messy and chaotic, I like to keep it structured and clean. Thats why we take this project step by step and want to execute our plan properly. Version by Version. Might be slower but we think its pays of in the long run. And many of your criticism is on our V4 list, we are very aware of the things we lack and could improve. But we are also aware of our thus far limited resources. And. Again if you feel you can do it better and faster go ahead. would love to see that. Or wait for end summer to join us on executing the big V4 plan.
Also I have zero experience in everything that I start. Thats how you learn and grow. Strange reason to slap people on the blackhead for that..
probably not as a core feature @mc007, mainly because those tools can already be found online and will probably be better then the ones we would develop. We like to keep focus on recycling machines. That said CNC is a crucial part for mouldmaking. So it could become an ‘additional machine’ or perhaps a collaboration with an open source CNC platform.. But will give it a proper think when mapping out V4!
Currently Precious Plastic is just a project, from Dave Hakkens (company). Mainly because creating a legel entity for each project takes a lot of time, hassle and money to maintain,>book keeping < Dont like this. So just to not waste our time and focus on the things we care about they are al part of 1 organisation. Dave Hakkens. That said, Precious Plastic is reaching a stage where it grows beyond that ‘critical mass’ point. So currently looking into setting it up as a foundation. Still figuring out the details though.. But this still means people run individual workspaces, needing to take care of their own legal status, if they care about that stuff, some might be non-profit others run them as a business. This is fully up to each workspace. Now this is for the legal part of the project.
For the community we do aim to keep it all together, since projects overlap and members have the same mindset. One strong/active community is more powerful. But we might change the name in the future, also on our “to figure out” list.
Hope this clears it up for you!
inspiring topic! Going to use this one as an example for proper documentation 🙏well done
wauw @cordane thanks for the offer! I have to admit it check pretty much all the boxes. Mountains, lakes, rivers, hiking, fishing, a half-dozen breweries>Sounds amazing! But i’ll be real honest here, i’m not sure if i am ready to establish in the US……. Give me some time to think about that…
I would actually like to do a road trip (europe) this summer to visit some communities to research how they work, set up their infrastructure en how they manage socially. Want to capture this information in videos to share with the rest of the world, as I believe they already gained so much knowledge but often not very good in documenting it… So very curious to other communities.. This one is already on my list: https://www.tamera.org/
awesome overview! One problem though. they all look incredible 😍
thanks for the feedback @mc007! Yep bazar and community are 2 different platforms, would love to merge but it comes with some challenges…
– We are going to do some filtering on the map soon!
page down/up in forum and other spots doesn’t scroll
Hmm can you fix this?
in the bazar, it would be nice to filter everything by region/continent.
You could try searching with the map?
Overall i’d say we can always use help improving this online community (wordpress PHP). What code languages do you master?
Hi Nienke impressive machine! Did you make the screw yourself? You got a picture of that? Yeh sorting is still tricky, so different in every part of the world as well… 🙁
Loving these ideas and pictures. Gives me hope 💪
thanks for posting the errors! I think we had 2 of these moulds and with one we increases the diameter size of the “injection shaft” to make the plastic flow in easier. Not sure which one I send 😅 But that could help? Mould heating definitely helps but is such a hassle to do every time. Also @jerzeek might have some tips on this one!
Prototype from kunststoffschmiede in Germany from a while back. interesting to see a super boring yet very functional application