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Coming soon with the V4 release in January! 🙂 👐
Good topic @andros-turtle!
Just sharing one post from the Discord here, where they melted cigarette buts into a sheet. I guess it could be a challenge to get rid of the smell. Interesting to test out more stuff though!
I would probably start with just trying to melt the buts before trying to inject them into a mould.
Hey! Okay, so I worked on the documentation of the flipflopi dhow, but haven’t been able to finalise it – Precious Plastic has priority! And there is still a lot to do 🙈
But as there seems to be interest, I will share the current status of the document with you, which already includes quite some information about the process!
Just keep that in mind that the document is still in progress 🙂
(Tip: Download it to view it properly / view two pages instead of single ones)
Happy to get feedback though and let me know if there is anything else you would specifically like to know!
@igna97 Hehe we were actually looking into making a catamaran already – maybe it will be the model for the big one, let’s see!
Ah, and thank you @abeedmohaimin, super nice of you, sounds like we can definitely meet and spend some time together 🙂
@simonkazi, not sure what you mean by die – do you mean the colour?
Happy to help 🙂 You might also get some more help in the discord #extrusion channel.
See you there!
Hey everyone, let’s chat in the Bangladesh channel on Discord, might be easier and more fun 🙂
Here the link to join it: https://discord.gg/hSFjJq
Happy to see you there! 🙂
Thank you 🙏
@shaanyeatamin @hasnatsolaiman @fawazrob @aa-zee @sanjana-a-c @advance @touhid @abeedmohaimin @saadiahossain @maruf1142 @farhan @shahriaruvm7 @robin14 @muhtashimabid @shadowkat @onimashgomes @hanif26 @alrio9 @tanzeev @mr-nobel @anik001 @kollectivekolab @meshba @mr-plastic @simonkazi @chistyptc @pabelkhan
Hey @a-savelkoul, very good topic 🙂
We ARE actually working on guides for meet-ups, events and workshops as well as for the branding and communication of a project.
I’d say it’s always good to choose the name “Precious Plastic xxx”, as this way people can find you more easily and see that you see yourself connected to Precious Plastic.
Generally the only thing to say is that it’s good to take the name of a city/smaller area instead of using a country or even continent, as there might be (or come) more Precious Plastic groups in the same country. And obviously it shouldn’t be something like “Precious Plastic” “Precious Plastic Original/Official/International” – that will be confusing for everyone who is looking for the original project!
Here some useful links for now:
– Precious Plastic Start section: Get an overview of what tutorial/content is already existing.
– FAQ: Read through the frequently asked questions & their answers.
– Press kit: Find the press releases and some photo content (will be updated with V4!)
Oh and Precious Plastic Monash have some tools for events/education their Download kit, if you want to check it out 🙂
More to come!
For now, make sure that you carry the core values with you:
There is too much plastic being wasted and ending up in nature, so we need to find ways to collect it and turn it into something valuable which will last.
And at the same time, the production (especially of single-use plastic nonsense) needs to stop and people/industry need to stop seeing and producing plastic and other resources as something disposable, but rather as something precious we should treat carefully! 💪
@ppboys yep we’re also not a big fan of PET fibres. Thanks for mentioning it again 🙂
@muniar Thanks a lot for that overview! For sure the Precious Plastic machines are only one part of the solution, it requires a big shift in mindsets and political & industrial approaches. Great to hear about your engagement!
No final dates yet, but we’ll be coming end November/beginning of December. 🙂
@shadowkat ah well, good to hear you started already though 🙂
Did you manage to get your materials from Dhaka in the end, or how did you get them? And what about the shredder now, is it still working?
If you have any good contacts to share for machine parts, materials, motors, and cutting or welding services, we’d be very thankful to hear them!
And thank you already for the coverage offer!
@muniar yeah! You wrote that you could do a lot in collection right?
Maybe you can explain what you mean? 🙂
Also just found some topics from more people who wanted to start something in Bangladesh:
@kollectivekolab and @meshba wanted to connect and build the machines, did you have any success yet?
@mr-plastic shared his initiative mr-plastic – are you also based in Dhaka?
@simonkazi wants to process PET into fibre. Any progress here?
And @chistyptc and @pabelkhan wanted to get active as well, right?
Who is still interested to meet up in Dhaka see how we can collaborate and push a better way to handle plastic? 💪
Hey @neonahsan! 🙂
Did you proceed with the machines in the meantime?
We will actually be coming to Bangladesh end of this year to help setting up another Precious Plastic workspace! 🙌 It seems like there are a lot of people who would like to get involved in that, and could really help to build a strong recycling community!
Would be happy to connect! Who’s up for meeting up? 🙂
Here some fellows I found in the forum and map:
@shaanyeatamin / LEAP – have the Precious Plastic machines
@noyangohin (machine building)
@fawazrob (sustainable architecture)
And other people who want to get started!
Hey @btmetz very sorry to hear about that.
But from what I see, you used the files for the Version 2.1 shredder, not the V3 upgrade (which is another folder in the download pack).
AND the first image probably comes from the “Overview” file, which is a PDF showing the quantities of all 6mm parts. This is not meant to be used as a lasercut file, it’s only an overview document.
Only the dxf files are suppose to be used for lasercutting.
Sorry if something got mixed up in your process. It seems like it worked fine for everyone else (I also used these files and had no troubles) 🤔
But we will give it another look!
You can still adjust and use the hoppers now, can’t you?
He @preciousplasticaustria, did you ever manage to finish this machine?
Would be curious to see the outcome 🙂
@3dseed looks great! I love the simplicity of just putting the flakes in and skipping the step of filament making 👍
What are the requirements for the flakes? (size, consistency…)
You can put it on the bazar as well, once you’re set up for selling 🙂
Are you by any chance planning to open-source your design?
Hey Kampers 🙂
So, after some impressions in the last monthly news, here a quick summary of our month in Portugal.
What we did.
👋 Network & Exchange – We met:
– architects (Critical Concrete, Warehouse, Oficina Parto, Miguel Ferreira Mendes)
– sustainable project/communities (Ecoaldeia de Janas, Vale da Sarvinda, Fazenda Tomati, Ecolife Experience, Casa de Santa Isabel and more)
– a lawyer, a municipality president, a university professor and other contacts.
To connect and create a network of likeminded people, and for us now also very much to get insights and learn from their experiences, what we have to know and keep in mind when looking for properties.
We’ve visited 30 properties from 2-19ha size in the areas of Santarém, Coimbra, Viseu and Castelo Branco (see map picture). Mostly that was with Real Estate agents, but also some through other contacts.
We then made a selection of 12 and showed them to Dave and Mattia in the last week.
What we learned.
It is super important/useful to have a clear idea and write it out and visualise it.
And to write a check list of needs to check out at the properties and define minimum needs. The more (into detail) it’s defined, the easier people can help and sort out between a big number of properties.
Land search (2 main ways):
– Real Estate (quicker/more efficient to see more properties, but also more expensive)
– Locals, spending time in the area and asking people etc. (good local prices, but can take years, especially if you’re not familiar with the places and areas)
– areas and their available natural resources like water, stones, (granite, clay, xisto…), plants (oak, cork, olive, fruit/nut trees, eucalyptus…) and weather (wind, sun). + regulations/costs/pros and cons coming along with those resources.
– landscapes, logistics, social situations
– Processes, requirements, people, documents and costs involved in the buying process.
– Things to check and ask for before signing (type of land, hunting area, contracts with shepherds, permits to build/cut trees/fetch water…)
Buildings & permits
– types of buildings and their requirements: habitation (needs windows, sanitation, borehole), temporary/mobile housing (easygoing), for tourism (super strict) etc.
– processes to register and build houses
– municipalities: many different approaches from “plan and communicate everything to have everything officially” to ‘I’m just building and then telling them that I built something” 😀 – but we should make sure that we have a good relationship with them as we rely on them!
– locals & atmosphere: what to contribute/help and learn from each other
Hard to really capture everything as we learned quite a lot, but that’s a rough overview. 🙂
– define and set the legal structure
– register a company/association/cooperative in Portugal
– get more details & documents & opinions about the land selection
– have another look into other areas we couldn’t check out this time
– visit municipalities of the selected lands to to get their approval/support
We need locals!
We’d like to keep our network growing and would be happy about any help & tips we can learn from portuguese people.
Maybe you can help with knowledge about the local conditions/regulations, with checking out some more lands or talking to the municipalities etc.
So feel free to get in touch 🙂
AND THANKS A LOT for everyone who helped so far! ♥️
@nadele @wannabannanna thanks a lot for your suggestions – we are focussing on Portugal now, so that’s most probably going to be the home for our Project Kamp – if nothing super incredible comes in between hehe. 🇵🇹
And @martinhub thanks for this tipp, we’ll check it out!
So, little update for everyone.
@acoira (Adrian) and I have been
– checking out properties (mostly online, but also offline – check earlier comments),
– reaching out to communities & projects to exchange and learn from
– talking to people with experience in buying property (in Portugal)
– researching on regulations and processes for permits etc.
– putting together a document to give a better idea of our plan & requirements
After Adrian already had a quick look in January, we will finally dive into the portuguese territory in APRIL!
So now we’re planning all our appointments with the communities, architects, municipalities, real estate guys and other experienced people.
We’ll be in the area between Porto and Lisbon, checking out the center (Viseu, Coimbra, Castelo Branco…) + a short visit to Tamera (to learn from experienced people).
The plan is to get a better feeling for the areas, people, regulations and processes.
And potentially already find our new home! 🙈
Let us know, if you have more useful information or contacts (or a piece of land there) – We’re especially looking for portuguese ARCHITECTS, LAWYERS and COMMUNITIES (similar projects as Project Kamp) to connect and make friends with 👐😁
Will keep you posted with our results!
[Also, if we manage, we’ll post more daily updates in Instagram stories (@davehakkens), for anyone who wants to follow our trip and maybe even get in touch if you see that we could visit interesting projects/people nearby.]
Hey @pinnacledbm, that’s a bit bigger than a small fishing boat, but might help for inspiration: The Flipflopi project.
I also created this topic for it, where all updates for the further process will be shared – and anyone interested can share their thoughts on building processes 🙂
@robb thank you for starting this discussion – it comes in just at the right time as we will be trying to work out the whole framework as much as we can in the coming weeks 👀
Including the topics:
– PROPERTY requirements
– DECISION MAKING method
– LEGAL STRUCTURE
– PEOPLE (How many? How to deal with people coming and going? …)
– estimated TIME / STEPS
– estimated COSTS / INVESTMENT
It’s both interesting and challenging, to try to define such things in advance as there are still so many uncertainties.
So, curious to get some more thoughts on that!
We will keep you updated about our further plans/decisions 🙃
Hey all! Hehe thanks for the thought @freiblick.
And @terryball, very good points, thanks a lot!
That piece of land sounds very interesting to us indeed, could you send me some more details about it? I’m currently in charge of looking into properties, so always open for input and ideas 🙂
And feel free to come around, we’re curious about the vegan kebabs & superchoc recipes!
Dear Guenter, Anne, and whoever is sitting behind this account @anne-barbier,
I have been reading all your replies in the forum, and never found a moment to react to them, but now is the time!
First of all I would like to thank you for your feedback, support and input you’ve already given to this community. You seem to be very dedicated to Precious Plastic and it seems like you’re very much into further improving the machines and platforms, which is great.
You do have very valid points and many of them have been on our list for a long time already – like giving more realistic numbers and experiences around building the machines. In fact, we mentioned your name (and with your name referring to all of your feedback) many times while making the plan for V4 (not joking!).
Reading your reaction to V4, it seems like we couldn’t communicate our plan and priorities clear enough for you – I will give it another try.
We are planning to rebuild the whole infrastructure, based on everything we know about our community and its interactions, needs and potentials. This will include huge improvements of all platforms:
– the website with a better documentation of information, experiences and tipps
– the map with a much more detailed filter, so people can find components, collection/recycling places, workspaces, events, people and more,
– the bazar (too many necessary improvements to list them all here) and of course
– the forum with a better search/filter function, documentation process and more, so people will FIND their answers more efficiently etc.
We discussed our approach with our experienced developer and came out with positions for a number of UI/UX designer and developers – we’ll have a team of 7-9 people working ONLY on the online world, FULLTIME! I don’t know how experienced you are in building digital platforms, but we are certain that we’ll have passionate and skilled people onboard who will achieve more than just “some infrastructure updates”!
(Side note: All this will fully serve the COMMUNITY, help people in the building process and enable them to build networks, take action locally and share what they learn – I don’t see your point how this could be about “Dave Hakkens’ toys”)
MACHINES & TOOLS
You summed this part up as “a lot of machine tasks” like that’s a bad thing?
As you should know, this project is not only open-source, sharing everything we learn, but also trying to involve the community’s engagement and suggestions and to react on their demands.
The machines and tools on our plan are exactly that: reactions to the issues and demands we found in our community.
Safer, more efficient and reliable machines were big on this list – and that was even one of YOUR points, so I really can’t understand why you suddenly degrade it as useless. And by the way, developing a “bigger shredder” is not at all for our shop, but (as everything we do) mainly for the community to rebuild. But of course we have to build and test it first before we can share what we’ve learned.
And in the same way, we know from our own & the community’s experiences that solutions to all the difficult plastic types (PET, Styrofoam etc.) are much needed and will require people to fully dive into the topic to develop a proper tool/technique.
FOR ALL THE MACHINES and tools we will make sure to document everything we know about components, realistic prices, capacities, challenges, experiences and variations. So people can get an impression of how difficult, expensive or time-consuming it is, BEFORE they start building. (This should make you very happy!)
To me, it cost literally just a fraction (of the bloat you are going to pay ) to help on each continent by giving machine builders the means like a laser cutter, lathe etc.
Sounds so easy how you say it – maybe you could think it through and let us know how exactly this plan would look like (Which countries/cities and who exactly would you give them to? Which machines, which prices and how will they maintain them etc.)?
As far as we experienced it, it definitely requires much more than just putting machines in a place if you want to help the people for a long run – we’re always open for good ideas though, so feel free to further explain your concept.
But in general, getting or building the machines is actually not the problem – the materials and technologies are available in most countries, it’s mostly just about KNOWING where to get parts/services and how to get them cheaper (an issue which will be solved more and more by map and bazar).
People ARE building the machines everywhere in the world – despite the lack of realistic numbers etc. in the download pack (we are very sorry for that and, as already said, will definitely update this as soon as possible!).
BUT one BIG question then is still: What to produce with the plastic waste and how to run a successful recycling workspace?
Seems too unimportant for you to mention, so you might not agree, but this is an important question for us and the community.
There are so many things which can be made out of plastic, but we have to make sure to find solutions for outcomes which are sustainable, useful, applicable and which just make sense.
And then there are even more topics we want to work on to help the community – like a business plan for various locations and concepts (finally!) and ideas and guidelines for activities like events, cleanups, campaigns, competitions etc. We would like to facilitate and offer a “toolkit” for every step of becoming and running a workspace/project tackling the plastic pollution.
I’ve got really upset, nothing learned, nothing added, nothing changed.
I don’t know what kind of plan you were expecting, but if we only find solutions for all the things listed in our V4 plan, that would already be a huge thing and so far we only got good feedback and encouragement from the community.
If you have another, better plan, go ahead and gather people to join you – we would be happy to see and learn even more!
Unpaid jobs or calls for volunteer works. I am not sure where the hard earned 300.000 go but from what i see it’s going into the wrong pockets, again.
It is hard to estimate how much exactly we will require for:
– accommodation and healthy food for nearly 40-50 people for around 6 months
– machines, components and materials for the development
– budgets for PP workspaces/designers working on solutions remotely
– maybe events/exhibitions etc. to communicate the project …
But one thing is for sure: It will all be spent on developing solutions and facilitating people to do it.
And about the volunteer jobs: We could also take the money which we will spend on food and accommodation and just give it to the people, but we experienced that it creates a much nicer atmosphere if it’s the other way around. You don’t have to like it, but that’s the Precious Plastic way and there are enough people who really like this way of “getting paid”. (I personally like it much more!)
WE ARE OPEN-SOURCE, SHARING WHAT WE LEARN AND IN CONSTANT DEVELOPMENT, EVOLVING TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY.
Some reactions to your words:
“monolith pyramid structures”
I guess by the static pyramids you mean Precious Plastic as the top of the pyramid. If so, okay then let us be the top of the pyramid which is trying to gather, document and share everything in one place, exposing it in a concentrated and understandable way to the big “bottom part” aka community.
What’s so bad about that?
We don’t force anyone to do anything, we just share knowledge and experiences, constantly try to improve everything and motivate people to collaborate and help us & each other. What people do with this, is completely up to them.
But I’d say the numbers speak for themselves – more and more people joining the forum, bazar and map, exchanging and developing solutions.
“more censorship “
No idea where you see censorship, could you explain that?
If you mean the realistic prices/sources etc: We’re not trying to hide anything! Again, we will gather every information and share it, but it will take a while as we want to do it properly and understandable for everyone.
“permanent lack of moderation and support”
Yes, we are still a small team of volunteers, contributing their free time for the project. The moderators are doing their best to answer upcoming questions and helping people to find what they are searching for. This is all we could offer so far, but this is also what the community is for and why all those people play such an important role.
We’re hoping to improve this and fully facilitate people to collaborate and help each other without requiring a person to moderate.
My feedback for you:
I don’t know if you realised (or if that was even your intention) but the way you write your messages spread a bad mood in the community.
The forum is there for constructive exchange and collaborative research and development.
I am not saying that criticism and honest feedback is not welcome but the way you write it is often becoming rather deconstructive and very disrespectful (towards us, the PP team, as well as towards other community members). Accusations like „you’re abusing people’s good intentions“ or „the money will land in the wrong pockets“ are just super imprudent and make me think that you maybe should inform yourself again about the intentions of the project and how we work.
Again, I know you are also helping a lot, and appreciate that a lot. But please leave out these unfounded and unnecessary comments about ignorance, lies, intentionally abusing others etc. These assumptions of yours are obviously not shared by the others and don’t help anyone (rather the opposite).
As far as I understood your intention IS to fight plastic pollution and help others to do so right? I can’t see how negative comments would support these good intentions? You’re rather creating a disadvantage for yourself, because others loose the confidence and trust in your person/account.
I hope you can take that as a feedback and seriously think about it.
Just as we took your feedback and WILL include it in our next updates!
And finally, yes, we ARE one army!
We’re putting as much energy as we can in this project and have already come very far, have helped many people to start their recycling project, to build up networks and make a change locally. There is a reason why we have such a growing community and win awards like the recent one. Our global community is a very important and inspiring part of Precious Plastic and we already ARE an army of people working on solutions. It’s about learning and sharing – ENRICHING EVERYONE!
P.S. Call me a fool, but fact is that I managed to build my shredder for 180 + 120€ Motor (without scrapyard components). And it’s working just fine. As I said, it’s about knowing where and how to get your components efficiently. 🙂