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I know you have first suggested “Finding a piece of land” for this project and am jumping the gun with providing thoughts on community planning because this is an area in which I am personally interested in. I recently took the time to look at your recommended “video” list and suggest others to do so if they already haven’t. The Venus Project is a project I looked at some years ago and filed away but your list sparked my interest in it again. Have you yourself looked at it and what are your thoughts?
And Greg, vegan I can do 🙂
This is more than a like, this is a love. Unbelievable idea Greg. I so very much hope you get this project off the drawing board and into reality. I wish I could volunteer my service but I’m not sure how I could help. I’m not technically minded and not too keen on water but I can make sandwiches and coffee 🙂
Hi Nico, Sha and Sol. Welcome to Australia, sorry about the cold weather. Must be climate change 😊
Dave, looking at everyone’s contributions we are all inspired about the idea of living and working an eco-property that includes recycling, designing and manufacturing plastic products.
I think there is a consensus on the difficulty of immigration and obtaining permanent visa’s etc. Like Nico, I too have travel a lot, volunteering my labour through WorkAway and WWOOF (Willing Workers On Organic Farms) for accommodation and board.
I think it would be a good idea if your Netherland group develops a manifesto for anyone in the world who wants to set-up their own community that includes the ideas and designs of the “Dave Hakkens” community.
I have three young men (including my son) around your age who are keen on the idea and want me to provide the capital for such a venture in Australia.
I have already started drafting my own plan for anyone who is interested but it will only be a draft as I still need to research legal requirements for Australian shared community properties and businesses.
What do you think?
If this is going to be an International Kamp you need to look at the country’s Permanent Residence Permit Laws for foreigners looking to immigrate to that country. This is were it gets tricky.
If this project becomes too overwhelming, you could think about a global network of “Kamp’s” where members could support each other just like the plastic recycling project. I’ve seen a lot of, not failures, but communities become not what they intended to be. Check out https://www.ic.org/the-fellowship-for-intentional-community. Don’t be disheartened, there are a lot of people out there looking for this kind of opportunity including me 🙂 I just haven’t found the right group (they’re either too out there or too in there). Not sure what Dave’s vision is or if he even knows himself, it appears organic, but I can see a global network of properties each set up with recycling facilities and self-sufficient families living and caring for each other harmoniously, not for money profit but to give back to humanity.
Hi Guys, I think before you purchase any land you really need to discuss and plan what you really want in terms of “Self-Sufficiency” and how much land you will need. You also need to work out how many people and a $share price.
Here’s what various sources say:
According to the Food and Agricultural Organization, the minimum amount of land needed for self-sustainable food in North America or Western Europe is 17 acres per person. This number assumes absolutely no land degradation, crop failures, or waste.An infographic by 1BOG.org breaks it down to about 2 acres of land for a family of four. This includes approximately 12,000 sq. feet for wheat, 65 for eggs, 2640 for corn, 100 for dairy, 207 for meat, and 77,000 square feet for vegetables.An older study from 1994 estimates 2 acres per person to sustain the standard American diet.Proponents of aquaponics say that 90% of our dietary needs can be grown in 50 square feet.John Jeavons of Grow BioIntensive says that a vegan diet can be grown in 4,000 square feet.Permaculture advocates say that ¼ acre per person is adequate when permaculture is combined with poultry, fruit trees, and possibly aquaponics.Clive Blazey in his book The Australian Vegetable Garden claims that 42 square meters of space is enough to support four people.John Seymour in his book The New Complete Guide to Self-Sufficiency says that 5 acres is enough to be food sufficient in high-rainfall areas of the UK.
I tend to go with John Seymour but not to his extent in self sufficiency by way of livestock and growing crops to feed them. So maybe 1 acre per person, 100acres = 100 individuals contributing in some way to the community.
I am sure most of us have dreamed of a project like this. I think because this is a global project, the land needs to be in a country where immigrants are welcomed. This day and age many countries are making immigration rules more strict. Also, buying land will have its rules. Has anyone researched this yet? Here in Australia we actually have people who have started permaculture and eco communities which people can by land shares in (still too expensive for me to join). Personally I think the first step is to decide on the country, work out how much land will be required, how many acres for housing, community buildings and agricultural will be needed. Also how many people, how much the communities footprint will have on the environment and how much each person needs to contribute in monetary form. It’s sad that we need to think of start up money but the rest of the world does not think like us (we need to buy our freedom). This is a very big project, I’m nearly 50 but I’d like to live and be apart of a community like this before I die. A lot of planning is needed. Do you have a planning committee in place as yet? Sign me up 🙂
I live in Australia and I Just wanted you all to know that this community was introduced to me by my homestay host in Nepal. It’s amazing how global this project is and I just want to give you all some encouragement to keep on going. It appears that everyday more and more people are joining the movement. Keep your heads up and be proud of yourselves. You are making a difference even though some days it may not seem like it.
Love you all.