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Hello , I am a machine builder from India, although not from Uttarakhand, im from Maharashtra, i can transport the machines there
Ok, whats in September?
@ppboys if you have access to metal and free time, do you think you could make and test the grinder that the Made In Poland guy made in the video, links of which I posted above?
@ppboys btw cool design
@ppboys all the recycling companies in India use this kind of grinder instead of the shredder to chop their plastic. Although it seems dangerous, it is effective, easy to manufacture, can handle thicker plastic at higher volume
Please have a look at this https://youtu.be/cuMJ6c5r7UQ and this https://youtu.be/3WiShUSggas
@plastichub on this forum I’ve met incredibly helpful people like @peter-bas and @xxxolivierxxx , who go above and beyond to help people on the forum with slightest of difficulties that they are facing, then there are other who are basically doing mental gymnastics and bringing in laws and copyright practices etc to justify the parasitic behavior that “some” makers on bazar are doing.
There is only so much research that the PP HQ can do, so if you have made anything that is an improvement or can make the entire process of plastic recycling simpler or effective and if you are selling that on THIS FUCKIN OPEN-FUCKIN-SOURCE PLATFORM then don’t be a shitty person and hoarde the information and share it with others so people in remote areas can FUCKIN benefit from it. How is that hard to understand? Why do everyone needs laws and rules to not be a shitty person? And most of all how is that unfair? Whatever you made wouldn’t have been possible if the website hadn’t put this info for free in the first place?
It’s like someone found a cure to cancer and just wants to sell to millionaires
@btmetz you seem to miss the point. As Olivier said, no one can force anyone to release their design, nor can anyone be asked to share thier profits, coz the legal infrastructure is not set up that way. Im just saying that have you all considered the possibility that if everyone is keeping their design to themselves while making it harder to replicate, and at the same time using the whole free open source platform, the whole PP project MAY die, due to insufficient innovation, modularity, and “open-sourceness” if that makes sense.
Any way no one can kick you out, i was trying to make a point because if you go through bazar PP you’ll see some stuff that anyone would think how is this allowed.
Will the real @davehakkens please stand up
Seriously will someone from PP HQ reply to this topic and make it clear what their views on this issue are. Ideally Dave would be the best person, since all licenses are in his name and thats what ultimately matters. But anyone is welcome to reply here and give their opinion, just so we know what the general consensus is.
@plastichub yeah something like a Original Contributor type thing. But Ithink if the decisions is left upto them most people wouldnt make their design open source but will still use this platform. So I think PP HQ needs to take a tough stand to enforce this, we may lose a couple of makers but this will benefit the PP community and the whole cause of plastic recycling in the long run.
@plastichub the easiest way to enforce this would be to ask the seller on the bazars to first upload their designs and then approve their listing. I dont see any harm in that.
i think design and plans of all the stuff should be mandatorily open-source and only the actual products and machines should be sold not the plans. Coz this whole forum wouldnt exist if Dave had put up a paywall for his machines. Heck you dont even need to sign up to download plans.
and honestly I dont mind people making money off the plans but then just take your business elsewhere. This is an open-source forum. What part of OPEN-SOURCE do people not understand?
I was about to start a topic about the same issue titled “Is Precious Plastic still Open-source?” good thing someone else is also interested in it.
I reason why I wanted to start a topic about this is because I see few makers on the bazaar selling machines which are clearly iterations of the Precious Platic machines ( which others are totally intereseted in) without releasing the plans for others who maybe live in far away countries and cannot afford the high European prices and shipping charges and would save couples of hundred euros by making on their own or locally. I think its a disservice to the PP communities hard-work of the past 3-4 years by using their platform to sell machines, the basis of which platform is open-source. They use the excuse that they have not compiled the plans or that they are testing stuff and that things may change in the future but I think its just an excuse to get away because these machines are lasercut which famously need actual designs to cut stuff.Also they can put a disclamer like the one on Thingiverse that the user should implement on plans on their own risk coz the maker is still figuring out stuff. Also I saw someone selling plans, actual 3D plans, I mean how could they?!?
I think Dave and others at PP shoud look into this and make putting plans of things mandatory before adding an entry to sell stuff on PP Bazar
Do you have a total tally of the bolts and nuts used?